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  • Re: Criadores de cannabis

    Estupendisimo hilo! Para fliparlo

    Espero que cuando acabeis de destripar y desollar sigais, aunque sea, con el rallador de queso.

    Toda esta gente no se merece ni el aire que respira... menuda panda! Como se dice por mi tierra "Això es una casa de putes!!"

    Saludos
    Cultivo por partes--> http://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/sh...d.php?t=148960
    Guia cultivo en coco
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      Se dice que Growi Seeds venden Nirvana re-envasadas.En todo caso,serían copias y además nunca he oido de ningún criador "reputado" detrás del "banco" Growi

      Cannacopia están "apadrinados" (por así decirlo) por Chimera.Tom parece estar conforme con que vendan híbridos de DC

      Blue Stone Sanctuary venden híbridos 1:1 o eso me parece.No sé si hay criador

      Originalmente publicado por stupendoman Ver Mensaje
      ¿Pero mantendrian tambien genéticas o sea parentales y tal o no se sabe las semillas que meten en los paquetes de regulares? Lo digo por quitarlos tambien de la lista
      Ni idea .TFD trabajaban con genéticas del Skunkmam.No sé que pasó con el Cannabis College de Oudezijds Achterburgwal,pero según se dice,Amsterdammer (el moderador de los foros de TFD en CW etc y voluntario en el colegio) se quedó sin trabajo y se montó un banco propio con un par de socios.

      Seedism Seeds

      "The seedism collective was officially launched during the High Times Cannabis Cup in 2007 by three friends with the same passion for Cannabis genetics, working together for numerous seed company's as well as maintaining the organic garden of the Cannabis College in Amsterdam.

      During our work over the past ten years at the Cannabis College in Amsterdam we have had a chance to encounter dozens of growers and breeders.

      Many who have added to our collective knowledge and continue to work closely with us today.

      Since 2007 we offer our first line of seeds originating from the seedism collective, which consists of a selection of female seeds, a selection of regular seeds and three selection packs combining four strains in one package.

      Today the seedism collective is a small a group of dedicated growers and breeders from different parts of the world, each contributing one or more strains to our selection, together we are constantly searching for new and exciting strains, as well as ways to improve the strains we already work with.

      The seeds we offer today are the result of many years of research, experimentation and countless of harvests, searching for those special and unique strains you are looking for. All our seeds have been tested many times to ensure that each seed you buy will grow into a beautiful plant with luscious harvests of the highest grade Cannabis possible .

      Seedism seeds are produced in organic gardens without the aid of chemical fertilizers."
      Editado por última vez por Raco; https://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/member/2541-raco en 18/10/2010, 19:46 .
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      • Re: Criadores de cannabis

        Más cosas que encontré :-)

        amsterdammer
        Member

        Join Date: Mar 2004
        Location: Amsterdam

        Amsterdammer signs out FLD


        "Hi people

        I am very sorry that i have not been answering any Q's the last two!!years....sorry,sorry,sorr y.

        I no longer work for the FLD, i left a month before the Sensi Seedbank bought the Flying Dutchmen from Eddie.
        Now i started a seedcompany called Seedism which i run with my buddy's Filmstar Gardener and Genefinder( wherever he is).

        I hope to have a forum on ICMag soon to tell you all about our genetics which has been availlable in the UK since this week.

        A few of our crosses:

        Cheesewreck (trainwreck x Cheese(Exodus)) feminized
        NevilleBerry ( Nevilles x Blueberry(DJShort)) feminized
        Taste Bud ( OGKush hybrid)
        Superglue ( NL5 hybrid)
        the Ultimate Blueberry ( DJShort x Amsterdammer)

        And a few more interesting crosses of which you can read more soon.
        Peace
        Amsterdammer"

        Eso ^^ lo puso en el foro de TFD en icmag y Gypsy cerró el hilo

        Gypsy Nirvana
        IC Mag Founder

        "We look forward to hearing from you and learning about your new crosses in the future.....this is the F.D. forum...

        Please contact us to discuss the posibilities of a forum on IC Mag.....

        Thanks for letting us know that you are not with the FD anymore...."

        Y aquí tenemos al temible GitT

        Originalmente publicado por GreenintheThumb Ver Mensaje
        Yep...sensi buys them up and suddenly they're offering everything fem....great, can't wait to get some hermies...
        It's a shame, i used to respect TFD.
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        • Re: Criadores de cannabis

          Seedism Seeds

          "El colectivo Seedism fue lanzado oficialmente durante la High Times Cannabis Cup en 2007 por tres amigos con la misma pasión por las genéticas del Cannabis, que trabajaban juntos produciendo semillas para numerosos bancos, así como manteniendo el jardín orgánico del Cannabis College en Amsterdam.

          En estos diez años de trabajo en el Cannabis College hemos tenido la oportunidad de conocer a docenas de cultivadores y de criadores.

          Muchos de ellos han incrementado nuestro conocimiento colectivo y continuan cerca, colaborando con nosotros en la actualidad.

          Desde 2007 ofrecemos las primeras semillas originales del colectivo, que consisten en una selección de feminizadas, una selección de regulares y tres paquetes surtidos con cuatro variedades cada uno.

          Hoy en día el colectivo Seedism consta de un escogido grupo de dedicados cultivadores y criadores de diferentes partes del mundo, contribuyendo cada uno con una o más variedades a nuestro catálogo, juntos estamos siempre buscando nuevas y excitantes variedades, así como buscando contínuamente la forma de mejorar las que ya tenemos.

          Las semillas que ofrecemos hoy son el fruto de muchos años de investigación, experimentación, e innumerables cosechas, seleccionando esas variedades especiales y únicas que siempre has estado buscando.

          Todas nuestras semillas han sido probadas varias veces para asegurar que de cada una de las que compres salga una planta con una exquisita cosecha de la mejor calidad posible de cannabis.

          Nuestras semillas se cultivan en jardines orgánicos, sin la ayuda de abonos químicos."



          P.D.: Si las prueban TODAS, como dicen, no sé que les quedará para vender.

          Originalmente publicado por Raco Ver Mensaje
          Ni idea .TFD trabajaban con genéticas del Skunkmam.No sé que pasó con el Cannabis College de Oudezijds Achterburgwal,pero según se dice,Amsterdammer (el moderador de los foros de TFD en CW etc y voluntario en el colegio) se quedó sin trabajo y se montó un banco propio con un par de socios.

          Seedism Seeds

          "The seedism collective was officially launched during the High Times Cannabis Cup in 2007 by three friends with the same passion for Cannabis genetics, working together for numerous seed company's as well as maintaining the organic garden of the Cannabis College in Amsterdam.

          During our work over the past ten years at the Cannabis College in Amsterdam we have had a chance to encounter dozens of growers and breeders.

          Many who have added to our collective knowledge and continue to work closely with us today.

          Since 2007 we offer our first line of seeds originating from the seedism collective, which consists of a selection of female seeds, a selection of regular seeds and three selection packs combining four strains in one package.

          Today the seedism collective is a small a group of dedicated growers and breeders from different parts of the world, each contributing one or more strains to our selection, together we are constantly searching for new and exciting strains, as well as ways to improve the strains we already work with.

          The seeds we offer today are the result of many years of research, experimentation and countless of harvests, searching for those special and unique strains you are looking for. All our seeds have been tested many times to ensure that each seed you buy will grow into a beautiful plant with luscious harvests of the highest grade Cannabis possible .

          Seedism seeds are produced in organic gardens without the aid of chemical fertilizers."
          Y volviendo a lo de acortar la lista, Sagarmatha Seeds le robó la Blueberry a DJ Short. Y no sé si también robaron la Kali Mist, bajo el nombre Western Winds.
          Editado por última vez por beginner; https://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/member/9954-beginner en 18/10/2010, 20:57 . Razón: Corregir un par de errores tipográficos
          As soon as we stop wanting to improve, we stop being good (Bernard of Clairvaux)

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          • Re: Criadores de cannabis

            Originalmente publicado por beginner Ver Mensaje
            Sagarmatha Seeds le robó la Blueberry a DJ Short. Y no sé si también robaron la Kali Mist, bajo el nombre Western Winds.
            A ver si encuentro donde el DJ se quejó de lo que le hicieron Ditch Passion y Sagarmatha...
            Simon (Serious) y Tony (Sagarmatha) empezaron como socios en Cerebral Seeds,y luego cada uno siguió su camino con las mismas genéticas.Hay mucho "folklore" con lo de la Kali Mist/Western Winds,dos versiones de lo mismo...lo que a mi siempre me pareció una variante de haze/skunk .Simon trabajó en Sensi Seeds

            Esta es una opinión de un forero:

            "as the story goes, the Blueberry which won the 2000 Cannabis Cup was not originally meant to be entered into that Cup...originally, according to DJ Short, that Blueberry was grown for the 1999 Cannabis Cup, but missed the deadline when it was announced that the judges needed the entries 6 weeks prior to when the harvest was going to be ready...when Henk from Dutch Passion asked DJ what he should do with the bud, DJ told him to store it and cure it for a year, then enter it into the following Cup...little did anyone know in 2000, but no one else stood a chance against Blueberry with a full year's cure under her belt...that must have been some incredible bud...DJ is all about curing, as you will read in my notes...with respect to Nirvana's BB, from what I know of them they have always been "hacks", for lack of a better term...I know of their Blue Mystic, but not of their Blueberry...if I were to guess off the top of my head, I would say they got access to the genetics when Sagarmatha started making them available, but that's only my guess...I would be happy to ask DJ about it and see what he has to say...my thoughts on the matter are rather clear, however...DJ is perfectly capable of discussing Blueberry in all it's glory, and is able to reproduce and improve the line at his own discretion...his truth is real and palpable, and he cares for and loves his strains...you can honestly tell that they are his creations, his ideas, his thoughts on the way herb should be...I would never expect a strain the class of Blueberry to be a creation from a company like Nirvana, no disrespect intended...they are known for pumping out other people's strains...I think the main problem here is that DJ basically worked the line to the point where his work could be ripped off...he takes his blue lines all the way to f5 stage, so you could say his offering was basically a Blueberry IBL, which we all know can be easily duplicated...Nirvana would have very little work to do if they wanted to claim the strain...hype creates the market...Sagarmatha was charging an arm and a leg..."

            Otra opinión interesante de otro forero distinto

            "DJ's current Blueberry offering, IMO, is still an inferior version than what Sag offered in the 90's. We all know that Blueberry evolved over time through the various offerings that have been made public, but I will argue that they do not quite match up to the initial release that Tony made. My complaint with the current Blueberry offering by DJ is the mutant and vigor factors. While DJ has arrived at a product that produces a great head, it comes at the expense of other factors. When all things are considered, I truly believe that his older stock is better because it offered a great head, but had a more profound taste and better vigor.

            I respect DJ, and still collect his gear and joint projects, but when it comes to Blueberry and Flo, his current offerings don't match up to those of yesteryear for the reasons I've stated. Only DJ knows where his vision wants to take him, but as a consumer I wish he would work backwards a bit to restore some of the traits that initially gained the line notoriety."
            Editado por última vez por Raco; https://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/member/2541-raco en 18/10/2010, 21:23 .
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            • Re: Criadores de cannabis

              Amsterdammer deja The Flying Dutchmen (FLD)

              ?Hola, gente
              Siento mucho no haber respondido ninguna pregunta en los dos últimos años...lo siento, lo siento, lo siento.

              Ya no trabajo para FLD, lo dejé un mes antes de que Sensi Seeds le comprase FLD a Eddie.
              Ahora he fundado un banco de semillas llamado Seedism, que llevo junto a mi coleguita Filmstar Gadener y a Genefinder (dondequiera que esté).

              Espero tener un subforo propio en ICMag pronto, para poder contaros sobre nuestras genéticas, disponibles en el Reino Unido desde esta misma semana.

              Algunos de nuestros cruces:

              Cheesewreck (Trainwreck x Cheese (Exodus)) feminizada
              NevilleBerry (Neville´s x Blueberry (DJ Short)) feminizada
              Taste Bud (híbrido de OG Kush)
              Superglue (híbrido de NL5)
              La Blueberry definitiva (DJ Short x Amsterdammer)

              y unos pocos cruces interesantes más sobre los que podrás leer más en breve.
              Paz
              Amsterdammer?


              Gypsy Nirvana:

              ?Esperamos oir más de tí y aprender sobre tus nuevos cruces en el futuro...este es el subforo de FLD...
              Por favor, contáctanos para discutir las posibilidades de un subforo en ICMag...
              Gracias por hacernos saber que ya no trabajas en FLD... ?

              GreenintheThumb :

              ?Sí...Sensi los compra y, de repente, están ofreciendo todo en versión feminizada...que guai, apenas puedo esperar a comprarles algunas hermafroditas...
              Es una vergüenza, yo solía respetar a The Flying Dutchmen.?



              Originalmente publicado por Raco Ver Mensaje
              Más cosas que encontré :-)

              amsterdammer
              Member

              Join Date: Mar 2004
              Location: Amsterdam

              Amsterdammer signs out FLD


              "Hi people

              I am very sorry that i have not been answering any Q's the last two!!years....sorry,sorry,sorr y.

              I no longer work for the FLD, i left a month before the Sensi Seedbank bought the Flying Dutchmen from Eddie.
              Now i started a seedcompany called Seedism which i run with my buddy's Filmstar Gardener and Genefinder( wherever he is).

              I hope to have a forum on ICMag soon to tell you all about our genetics which has been availlable in the UK since this week.

              A few of our crosses:

              Cheesewreck (trainwreck x Cheese(Exodus)) feminized
              NevilleBerry ( Nevilles x Blueberry(DJShort)) feminized
              Taste Bud ( OGKush hybrid)
              Superglue ( NL5 hybrid)
              the Ultimate Blueberry ( DJShort x Amsterdammer)

              And a few more interesting crosses of which you can read more soon.
              Peace
              Amsterdammer"

              Eso ^^ lo puso en el foro de TFD en icmag y Gypsy cerró el hilo

              Gypsy Nirvana
              IC Mag Founder

              "We look forward to hearing from you and learning about your new crosses in the future.....this is the F.D. forum...

              Please contact us to discuss the posibilities of a forum on IC Mag.....

              Thanks for letting us know that you are not with the FD anymore...."

              Y aquí tenemos al temible GitT



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              • Re: Criadores de cannabis

                Una y mil veces más, agradecer la información que ponen a nuestro alcance Tritónman y El Chico Percebe......Las sombras de la caverna cada vez son menos sombras.




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                • Re: Criadores de cannabis

                  Ya encontré el post de Red (Legends Seeds) ...
                  aqui explica el DJ las movidas que tuvo con Sagarmatha y Ditch Passion

                  Originalmente publicado por Red


                  Europe

                  Holland

                  By the early 1990's I was extremely interested in the burgeoning seed market developing in Holland. I had known about the seed banks since 1983 and was always only interested in obtaining more pure, land-race varieties. Unfortunately, there were only hybrid crosses ever available at the time and I had more than enough of my own to work with. By 1993 I finally made the pilgrimage to Amsterdam where I made new connections. In 1994 I connected with the first company that I worked with in Europe. By 1995 I was supplying this company with seed-stock both for sale and for breed work. I had contracted with this company to produce Blueberry, Flo and Blue Velvet.

                  The first company I worked with in Europe sprouted only 25 seeds of each of these varieties to make selections from. Other than supplying seed-stock, I was only minimally involved in the selection process. I did get to see the mother and father plants alive, however, the selection process had already been done prior by others. Unfortunately, my relationship with this company was short-lived as all the owner really wanted was my seed-stock. Once he had it I became a very low priority in his scheme. In all honesty I was never paid one red cent for any of the Blueberry (or ?Flow? or Blue Velvet) that company number one in Europe produced (plus having over 3,000 seeds that I produced completely ripped off).

                  Needless to say this lack of concern prompted me to seek other possibilities that culminated in my relationship with the second company I worked with in Europe. At this company about 50 seeds of each variety were sprouted, but I was once again mainly left out of the selection process except for sampling a number of finished products and making selections based on those (which is enough, actually). I never got to see any of the live plants from this selection process at company number two in Europe. I also contributed seed-stock for three more varieties there; Blue Moonshine, Blue Heaven and Purple Passion. The owner of this company was satisfied with paying me the minimum amount I would consider adequate. Fortunately, part of the deal was my ability to remain independent and work with whomever else I pleased.

                  Switzerland

                  The third company I worked with in Europe was in Switzerland. The owner of this company was able to dramatically push the envelope there and some interesting results blossomed. I visited Switzerland three times between 1999 and 2001 and was truly amazed at what I witnessed on each visit. Out of all of the companies that I worked with in Europe, I felt the most involved and productive in Switzerland. I was involved with selections of finished products and with live mother and father plants as well. I even got to help plant, transplant and harvest a few of the gems produced there.

                  The varieties produced by the third company that I worked with in Europe included Moonshine Rocket Fuel, Rosebud and Blue Satellite. I must admit that the bubble hash from the Blue Satellite is among the finest and most desirable product I have sampled (outside of my own) since the 1980's! Unfortunately, the owner of this company was unable to successfully work with the local authorities and was forced to leave Switzerland. Some truly intrepid tales were spun during the brief stay there and I will remember many of them with delight.

                  Canada, The True North Strong and Free

                  With glimmers of hope on the horizon, Canada is fast becoming the Cannabis Breeding capital of the world. With the much-appreciated activism of entrepreneurs such as Marc Emery (et. al.), a new haven for a seriously dedicated cannabis community is developing. One such entrepreneurial dedicate is Red of Legends Seeds. I met Red in Switzerland where he was very busy and involved working for the happening community there. Red is a high-flying, free spirit with a savvy sense of taste.

                  Red was able to orchestrate the necessary requirements to produce a very large selection process. This grow consisted of about 400 plants (over 200 Blueberry phenos and over 100 Flo). Out of these there ended up being over 160 Blueberry and over 70 Flo females and about 60 males that made the initial cut. Copies of each of these were cloned and meticulously maintained by the crew. This actually turned out to be a slight overkill, but a testimony to the absolute dedication of the crew.
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                  • Re: Criadores de cannabis

                    Lo siento Barnakle Boy ...se te acumula la tarea...


                    Vic's got the answer

                    Posted by Chimera on December 02, 1999 at 11:32:01 ET:
                    In Reply to: Question for chimera. posted by Watchtower on December 01, 1999 at 21:33:26 ET:

                    "As Vic stated, blueberyy is an IBL. At this point, the version available from Marc Emery and the Amsterdam Hemporium Coffe shop (direct from DJ himself) are
                    in their 5th or 6th generation of inbreeding (F5-F6). At this point, the traits for which DJ selects should be stable. There may be some unstable traits but the strain
                    should breed true for the most part.
                    When Bluberry was first released commercially(Sagamartha)the plants had not been inbred for as many generations. Therefore any seed bought early on (ie-before
                    a year and a half to two years ago) may not be as stable as the current selection offered by DJ.
                    This is a great plant to use as a P1, or parental generation because of it's stability. You can see this from the success of its hybrids (shishkaberry, blue domino, and
                    the NL X BB crosses etc.) If it is crossed to an unrelated strain (prefeably also stable) THESE offspring will be an F1.
                    Check the posts below by Daniel and Vic, they also have some good input on this topic.
                    ABOUT SAGAMARTHA- DJ no longer sells to these guys, he sold about 500 or so seeds to them 3-4 years ago for which he was never paid (as I understand
                    it). This is why he no longer supplies them. That leads me to believe that they have started their own line from his genetics.

                    As far as Dutch Passion goes, DJ claims that they sell seeds that he produced. When I was over there, they tried to pull some shit about how they created it from
                    their own stock etc. I don't know how DJ feels about this, but the people at the seed bank could also have not known what they were talking about. There just too
                    much misinformation on this topic to really know. As for the all female BBs now available from them, DJ doesn't sell them so DP must be making their own.

                    As for creating your own, depending on which generation you got seed from, you will have some stable and some unstable traits. Now you will select for the traits
                    that you desire, which will probably differ from DJs original goals, so your seeds may of may not represent the strain that DJ now sells. Hope this helps.
                    -Chimera"



                    Aquí Chimera le dice a Vic que Adam asegura ser el criador de la Bubblegum... LOL

                    Posted by Chimera on December 03, 1999 at 18:23:23 ET:
                    In Reply to: Re: Hey Chimera posted by Vic High on December 03, 1999 at 18:07:46 ET:

                    "Vic,
                    you are most right, I miss-typed and put Bubblebrry instead of Bubblegum. Adam claimed to be the breeder of Bubblegum, but really, who knows? You
                    mentioned RC, I don't know him.
                    As for the legitimacy issue, I think it will only be truly possible when it becomes legal. Only then can the breeders come out in the open and represent their own
                    strains. Then again, there are just as many knockoffs in Holland (if not more). I think it's really up to the buyer to chose whether he wants to support the original or
                    get the cheap one, unfortunately our future is in their hands.
                    Be safe -Chimera ;}"
                    Editado por última vez por Raco; https://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/member/2541-raco en 19/10/2010, 00:02 .
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                    • Re: Criadores de cannabis

                      Un par de posts muy interesantes de un auténtico veterano: oldtimer 1/Ot1


                      oldtimer1
                      Nov 15 2003, 03:08 PM

                      "Definition:- Mongrel - A plant or animal resulting from crossing different breeds or types.

                      Definition:- F1 hybrid - In plant breeding terms, its a first cross between two totally unrelated true breeding homozygous plant lines selected to produce a totally uniform and vigorous plants [ie progeny that is homozygous in all ways and expressing heterosis]. This is an end product, as recognised every where in the horticultural, breeding and genetic world.

                      Neville made and introduced G13 x Hash plant [I think in 89] and called it an F1 hybrid. It was not, it was a lie, it produced heterozygous plants but they did have some hybrid vigour and they were very potent ie it was a cross breed. This was because although hash plant was a true breeding inbred line G13 was not, it was a mother line selected from an unknown cross.

                      Maple leaf is a somewhat variable land race collected from a single valley in Afghanistan noted for its sweet smell.

                      Bigbud is another US bred variable multi variety hybrid that no one has managed to stabilise as far as I know.

                      With out a detailed breeding history of how each these lines were individually line bred or back crossed to produce 3 ibl lines then two of them combined to make a new ibl line to make the two ibl lines needed to make an F1 hybrid there is no way you or they can say its an F1 hybrid.

                      Its what most of the so called cannabis breeders have been doing in Holland since they first started crossing everything with every thing, you can’t call it breeding. It does not mean the resultant plants are not potent, or smell but it does mean they are lying.

                      At least some of the newer breeders on the scene are more open about what they are doing with their breeding and selection, vis people like breeder Steve who renames his lines through the generations [re St#3, St#4, St#5 etc] and tells you what he has done every step of the way. Or baud with his lines. No false F1 claims just the facts. Vic High, ncga and the Bros Grimm started this more open policy and its a breath of fresh air. It also forced the Dutch seed bank cartels who had ruled the cannabis seed world for so long to lower their prices.
                      what I’m asking is for peeps to look back at how the whole cannabiz has developed from our black economy. Not many people remember the past."


                      "For instance what became Skunk#1 was developed outdoors by members of the Nor Cal dope growers co-op. Just a loosely connected group of mother earth type back to the soil people. They in turn were connected with Tim Learys mob. It was taken and said to be refined by cultivators choice, where it was sold and claimed as theirs in Holland by the first seed bank. A young man who worked for them split with some stock and set up the seed bank. When he went underground because the USA had an extradition warrant for him. The sensi seed bank took over his house and stock lines, now called the cannabis castle. ie all along the line little fleas have nicked a bit of blood off a bigger fleas back got fat and so on.

                      That was one of routes that Sk#1 got to Holland, old Ed also brought in cuts and seed lines, as well as another guy, cant remember his name. Ed’s was with Wernard and the group that became Positronics.

                      The thing about Sk#1, is that it was a relatively pure breeding line. If you just replicated it, what it was like through each generation would change because of selection and the environment. On top of that the Dutch seed houses always so call improve lines, yet so many say they have the original, the pure! From mau who took seed/cut stock from Positronics, the seedbank, The Flying Dutchman, Dutch Passion, etc etc.

                      Thing is today none of them are anything like Sk#1 as it was when it first came from the USA and what people loved it for. Is it better now, dammed if I know for most people, but for me no. I was not suggesting you were being ripped off, maybe you know better than me and puka have the best selection of Sk#1, I’ve not tried it.

                      Maybe in the future uk420 could do a comparative grow from every seed houses we can get Sk#1 from. Like a consumer which type thing. At the moment all the breeder/seed banks make all sort of claims. It would be nice to do some real tests.

                      Is it right that some seed banks charge outrageous prices? I don’t think so and sorry but I think it should be pointed out."


                      oldtimer1
                      Apr 5 2004, 11:33 PM

                      "Pukka are part of the most expensive hydro shop in england. Their own seeds are just knock off crosses of sensi seed bank lines."

                      Editado por última vez por Raco; https://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/member/2541-raco en 19/10/2010, 00:35 .
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                      • Re: Criadores de cannabis

                        Y ya puestos a despellejar a Sagarmatha,un post de Adam Tripper en la vieja Strainbase (de baudelaire,originalmente en Overgrow.com) que tenía yo fichado

                        "Tony, an American and owner of the Sagarmatha seed shop in Amsterdam, said that the original seeds had been given to him by some Vietnam vets (so much for the "breeding" efforts). These vets in turn said that they were the result of their breeding a local (Californian) strain with a Cambodian strain they brought home.

                        The Sag site in the last months has added a reference to Special K in Stonehedge description, so perhaps they re-bred it with Special K. In any case, it is supposed to be a "manageable" Sativa-high plant, with a decent yield and remarkable good taste (even when some reports state it has a heavy Indica influence as well).

                        Special K, which may or may not be in there, is Sags (corrupted) version of Serious AK-47 (Sag and Serious are spin-offs from a previous company called Cerebral Seeds, and it seems to me Serious got to keep the two true stocks, the ones that make up AK-47 as a F1 hybrid).

                        I believe that indeed most of Sag strains are not bred or developed by them, but rather heirlooms or private stock given to them by their network of American friends, as it is the case with Stonehedge and Early Riser (Rosa, co-owner of Sag, said that this one was a Cali Orange selection given to them by a friend).

                        Their Matanuska is most likely totally unrelated to the real deal from Alaska (people in Alaska call that name to a number of local strains, adding to the confusion) but rather related to an NCGA experiment (probably involving a NL with some alleged G-13 in it) dating back to the time they (Sag and NCGA) teamed up briefly.

                        They just appropriated the Matanuska name, as it had a mystique, and applied to the "new" breed. I wouldn't be surprised if they registered it as a trademark, which they can in Holland.

                        Sag are very liberal with seed names --their "NL#9" has no Northern Lights at all, but rather is a combination of Jack Herer, White Widow and Durban (yeah, nice mix). As you see, its all very seedy (hehehe) and the only way to ascertain quality is to grow the stuff.

                        I even suspect that Sag permanently lost some of their own strains, as several of them where out of stock for more than a year (rip-offs and boycotts at their seed grow operation) and suddenly (suspiciously) resurfaced... perhaps today's Stonehedge is not the original, but a female clone crossed with a male Special K to get a seed line going (that would explain the new reference to Special K in the description).

                        More ramble than you bargained for, eh? Sorry... got carried away, the story of strains reads like a novel. Hope this helps though. Adam Tripper"
                        Editado por última vez por Raco; https://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/member/2541-raco en 19/10/2010, 01:10 .
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                          Muchas gracias RACO y beginner ... te llevan pisando los talones

                          DJ y su paso por el sub-mundo de las semillas ... increible ¡¡¡
                          nunca se termina de conocer a las personas ...

                          sigo leyéndoles ,

                          salud por alla
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                            DJ Short,sobre las Kush

                            "The name "Afghan" (indica) was assigned to the original P1 Afghan stock that came to me one generation removed from its region of origin via the northwest growing community (and to the plants grown from this stock). The name "Hindu Kush" was assigned to the "Kush" looking varieties that developed from the f2 (and beyond) crosses of the P1 Highland Thai (sativa)/P1 Afghan (indica), and, P1 Chocolate Thai-Oaxacaan (sativa)/ P1 Afghan (indica) crosses. The resulting F1's of the P1 cross were uniform hybrids. The f2's, f3's and beyond were universally diverse. Among the variance developed what came to be known as "Hindu Kush", "Sweet Kush", "Berry Kush", "Blueberry Kush" (among others). To help clarify, allow me to describe the subtle differences that I observed between the two. Both grew short and stout with wide leaves and both matured early. The leaves of the Afghan had slightly shorter stems and were therefore closer to the main stem giving the Afghan a leafier look. The shorter stemmed Afghan leaves also tended to point more upward as they developed. The Afghan had more side branching, especially from the bottom of the plant. The Afghan also had a very distinct "skunky-musky-earthen" odor and a lighter green color compared to the Kush. The Kush is the least leafy with long stemmed fan leaves that tended to droop more downward, exposing the dense, tight-to-the-stems buds (very little if any side branching) to more light during later maturity. Also, the fan leaves of the Kush were slightly wider (at the leaflet center) and "rounder" than the basic Afghan. The Kush became notorious as the easiest plant to manicure and trim due to the long-stemmed leaves, many of which fell off at maturity, and the trichome-drenched, fat, dense bud structure (with large swollen bracts and flowers). The Kush was also more colourful and sported a "sweet-musky-earthen" aroma, some with aroma like sweet-ripe berries. The name "Hindu Kush" was reinforced (and partially borrowed from) Robert Connell Clarke's Marijuana Botany as it seemed best to fit the description. Therefore, "Blueberry" (et al) was selected not only from "Hindu Kush" (sweet, berry, or otherwise from my own f2 and beyond crosses) but inevitably derived from Afghan ancestry as well (the original P1 stock). Technically, the Hindu Kush region (Northeastern Himalayas) is associated with Afghanistan/Northwest Frontier north of Pakistan, but this has little to do with the specific names assigned to these strains. I hope this has helped to clarify somewhat. The line in the strain description of Blueberry that states "we developed Blueberry from new genetics" was added (edited in) by Dutch Passion, my European distributor, for the European market. I simply authorized the Dutch Passion description for Marc's catalogue. Perhaps, at some point, I should re-do these descriptions. No genetic stock outside my own material is used in the production of any of my own varieties. I am only interested in using pure, land-race varieties acclimated in their particular region of origin. Until more of these become available, I have plenty of my own stock (much still untested) to work with. Look for new varieties in the not too-distant future." - DJ Short"



                            Esto les va a gustar leerlo a los amantes de la Blueberry
                            Vic High (BCGA= British Columbia Growers Association )

                            "1) DJ Short is the original breeder to introduce blueberry to the commercial seed trade. 2) there are basically two phenotypes released to the public, the first Sagarmatha release, and all subsequent. The first phenotype had thinner leaves and more blueberry flavour. The second phenotype is more vigorous, more vigorous, and although sweet and fruity, not quite as blueberry tasting. I've found the first phenotype twice, from a direct purchase with Emery, and then from seeds from a friend who bought the first batch direct from Sag. 3) Sag and DJ had a falling out, and Sag now sells DJ knockoffs. These are now of the second (wider leaf) phenotype. 4) Dutch Passion is now the European source for DJ Short genetics. These are now of the second (wider leaf) phenotype. 5) DJ Short delta 9 collection is the North American source of DJ's genetics. Again, these are now of the second (wider leaf) phenotype. They are available from several sources including Emery seeds and the Amsterdam cafe. 6) And yes you got it; BCGA version is a knockoff like the Sag version. But the difference is that it is a knockoff of the first (thinner leafed) phenotype." - Vic High"
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                              RACO ... que haz hecho ???

                              by RACO ICmag
                              ""DC X TomHill´s Haze F1,harvested yesterday ""
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                              • Re: Criadores de cannabis

                                Originalmente publicado por Raco Ver Mensaje
                                Lo siento Barnakle Boy ...se te acumula la tarea...
                                Se hará lo que se pueda...que llevo arrastrando, desde ayer, una sopa del 15 largo...pero como los autónomos no nos podemos poner enfermos...ya me pondré a ello durante el día, aunque sea tras una montaña de Kleenex usados
                                As soon as we stop wanting to improve, we stop being good (Bernard of Clairvaux)

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